(Come on, Liar - you know where I'm goin' with this...)
...by the passion non-Christians have when throwing their arms in the air in disgust over the judgmental, hypocritical attitude of Christians. It's ironic to me. I would expect those same passionate people to conduct themselves in a very non-judgmental, non-hypocritical way. And instead, those very people - in my experience - end up displaying just as much judgment regarding Christianity as those in whom they are disgusted, which creates the hypocrisy.
There are assholes on each side of the debate, as well as resonable and tolerant people to.
It's a complex issue--and we are fallible human beings--none of us have the complete answer and conversely none of us are totally wrong ('cause no one is that damn stupid)...so what to do? Hell I don't know...I'm just a humble ninjamonkey...you tell me. I personally believe that there is a higher order to reality (the Dao, The Force, the Kosmos, whatever you want to call it)--and I don't think that any single religious book or scripture can encompass the totality (its that human fallibity again. ie all "Holy Books" were writen by Men). Nor is there a single person who has the complete answer. People who say that they do are usually looking for power. Listen to your heart and the compass of your soul....
...(to stay on topic) with people trying to force their ideologies on me when I did not ask for them.
I am all for live and let live. But for my choices to be limited because somebody says that God is against it really upsets me. The bible is a document penned by man, even if it is the word of god how do we know man got the message right. (Remember the telephone game?)
Also why should non-christians be forced to live by beliefs that are not their own. Many christians, I think, would be offended if a community put a non-christain sysmbol in a public place (ie: buddist statue). so why should others be forced to accept christian symbols.
Sorry to ramble, but as a scientist the whole evolution vs. creationism in schools debate has gotten me all worked up again, along with some of the other stuff that is happeneing right now.
I find it frustrating when people talk about evolution as if it had some kind of direction. Evolution just means change over time---not improvement over time...a teradactyl isn't any beter or worse than a trilobite--just different---to assume teleogy to evolutionary processes is a mistake.
Personally, I have nothing agianst creationism. I believe that it is something to be learned alongside evolution. I even believe tht if you look at the science you can find ways in which evolution enhances the creationist ideals. There is proof of a mitochondrial eve, and really what is the possibility of one female spawning an entire race?
What upsets me is how some schools are trying to do away with evolution altogether. We are only hurting the students. These are children who will be expected to have a strong base in science and will be lacking a major chunk.
My solution, which seems to be overlooked is to treat the subject like a field trip. Permission slips sent out for parents to decide how these subjects should be taught. That way those who only see creationism are not forcing the children of other people to be punished scientifically.
And darwin little bro... I agree evolution is not a theology, but it is something that we deal with every day. Bacteria strains change and adapt to the methods that we use to try and kill them. (One of the reasons I am against overprescribing antibiotics, and laugh at our obsession with killing germs) These evolved strains are now causing new problems because they are resistant to whatever we try. So while they may not be "better" they are more capable of surviving because they have adapted.
...when people are all lumped into one category based on a communal identity.
i'm a christian... catholic to be exact. i don't blindly buy into all of the dogma (i'm gay-positive, pro-choice, anti-death penalty, and i lived with my husband for two years before we got married.. make of that what you will). i am also fervently NOT evangelical in the modern sense. i more believe in 'lead my example' evangelism. i admit i am far from perfect, but when i do right by my own sense of goodness, i hope it has a positive effect on the people around me.
i am also an evolutionary biologist by schooling (stay at home mom by trade, for now). again, make of that what you will.
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(Come on, Liar - you know where I'm goin' with this...)
...by the passion non-Christians have when throwing their arms in the air in disgust over the judgmental, hypocritical attitude of Christians. It's ironic to me. I would expect those same passionate people to conduct themselves in a very non-judgmental, non-hypocritical way. And instead, those very people - in my experience - end up displaying just as much judgment regarding Christianity as those in whom they are disgusted, which creates the hypocrisy.
There are assholes on each side of the debate, as well as resonable and tolerant people to.
It's a complex issue--and we are fallible human beings--none of us have the complete answer and conversely none of us are totally wrong ('cause no one is that damn stupid)...so what to do? Hell I don't know...I'm just a humble ninjamonkey...you tell me. I personally believe that there is a higher order to reality (the Dao, The Force, the Kosmos, whatever you want to call it)--and I don't think that any single religious book or scripture can encompass the totality (its that human fallibity again. ie all "Holy Books" were writen by Men). Nor is there a single person who has the complete answer. People who say that they do are usually looking for power. Listen to your heart and the compass of your soul....
Ok--I gettin' off the soap box now--sorry
...(to stay on topic) with people trying to force their ideologies on me when I did not ask for them.
I am all for live and let live. But for my choices to be limited because somebody says that God is against it really upsets me. The bible is a document penned by man, even if it is the word of god how do we know man got the message right. (Remember the telephone game?)
Also why should non-christians be forced to live by beliefs that are not their own. Many christians, I think, would be offended if a community put a non-christain sysmbol in a public place (ie: buddist statue). so why should others be forced to accept christian symbols.
Sorry to ramble, but as a scientist the whole evolution vs. creationism in schools debate has gotten me all worked up again, along with some of the other stuff that is happeneing right now.
Phoenix, don't be sorry. Your opinion and thoughts are welcome here - I'll let you know if you're offensive.
... when things refuse to stay where I put them. (stupid inanimate objects).
thanks qob. I know some people I don't even discuss religion with, for fear of the guilt trip they try.
when I talk and no one is listening.
I find it frustrating when people talk about evolution as if it had some kind of direction. Evolution just means change over time---not improvement over time...a teradactyl isn't any beter or worse than a trilobite--just different---to assume teleogy to evolutionary processes is a mistake.
it is interesting liar.
Personally, I have nothing agianst creationism. I believe that it is something to be learned alongside evolution. I even believe tht if you look at the science you can find ways in which evolution enhances the creationist ideals. There is proof of a mitochondrial eve, and really what is the possibility of one female spawning an entire race?
What upsets me is how some schools are trying to do away with evolution altogether. We are only hurting the students. These are children who will be expected to have a strong base in science and will be lacking a major chunk.
My solution, which seems to be overlooked is to treat the subject like a field trip. Permission slips sent out for parents to decide how these subjects should be taught. That way those who only see creationism are not forcing the children of other people to be punished scientifically.
And darwin little bro... I agree evolution is not a theology, but it is something that we deal with every day. Bacteria strains change and adapt to the methods that we use to try and kill them. (One of the reasons I am against overprescribing antibiotics, and laugh at our obsession with killing germs) These evolved strains are now causing new problems because they are resistant to whatever we try. So while they may not be "better" they are more capable of surviving because they have adapted.
evolution is cool.
mutation is better!
If you click on the link for "Friend of John Cheese" (on the right), you'll open a great website. At least, great in my opinion.
...when people are all lumped into one category based on a communal identity.
i'm a christian... catholic to be exact. i don't blindly buy into all of the dogma (i'm gay-positive, pro-choice, anti-death penalty, and i lived with my husband for two years before we got married.. make of that what you will). i am also fervently NOT evangelical in the modern sense. i more believe in 'lead my example' evangelism. i admit i am far from perfect, but when i do right by my own sense of goodness, i hope it has a positive effect on the people around me.
i am also an evolutionary biologist by schooling (stay at home mom by trade, for now). again, make of that what you will.
You forgot to mention "Really Great Person"...
go nessa. an open mind like that is what I like to see.
-when I can't say what I want to for fear of hurting someone (badly).
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